P&C Prime Video Shoulder Rig

Disclaimer: I help to design products for PhotographyandCinema.com. The article below is information about the new P&C Prime Video Rig. There are many other great Video Rigs available within articles of this blog that you may also want to consider.

PhotographyandCinema.com adds another affordable product for budget video shooters. The new Prime Video Shoulder Rig Kit contains a combination of parts that will allow supporting basic camera setups to more advanced rig configurations that require mounting additional accessories.

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The Prime Video Shoulder Rig Kit includes a special Hybrid Shoulder / Chest Pad that allows the rig to be used on the shoulder or off the shoulder as a gun-stock style shooter rig.

The Prime Rig Kit (when purchased from PhotographyandCinema.com) also includes (2) P&C Swiss Rods for flexible mounting of additional accessories and (1) NEW 'Tough' Stainless Steel Friction Arm from Kamerar.com. These are new friction arms that are more robust than other arms on the market.

More information about the new Prime Video Rig Kit can be found at http://PhotographyandCinema.com (here).

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[More News]
PhotographyandCinema.com is now distributing Kamerar brand products. The P&C Prime Shoulder Rig is also available through Kamerar.com without a set of Swiss Rods or 7" Friction Arm and sells for $30 dollars cheaper + FREE WORLDWIDE SHIPPING.

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82 thoughts on “P&C Prime Video Shoulder Rig

  1. Emm

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    @15takes - Yes, it will mount to either using the tripod mount hole under the camera. You will have room to add a follow focus, and possibly a matte box but it depends on what lens you are using. You may have to get a set of rail extensions if you are using a long lens.

  2. 15takes

    Is this rig and baseplate compatible with 1Dx or 5D mark III with battery grip!? Witch matte box and follow focus is your recommendation with this rig? Thanks for review...

  3. Swiss

    Hey Emm thanks for sharing this i just got the one without swiss rods and the free delivery was very fast to europe. I'm trying to find a top handle on ebay but is the Fit Rail Distance on this shoulder rig : 60mm? Also i might add some weight in the back if add more accessories in front so do you have any suggestions on how to do that? If you got links for both these questions please share them. Thanks in advance

  4. michaelb

    i'm thinking of grabbing this kit seems to be the best bang for the buck, and i've looked extensively. i'd love to hear some opinions on which sticks and fluid head are good for the rig to sit on, can handle the weight of the rig + some accessories. or would it be smarter to QR the cam from the rig then go to fluid head? i have been looking for a week and cannot make up my mind about which fluid head + which legs. if there are any tripod reviews here i'd love a link - i've searched but didn't find. if you have any recommendations i'd love to hear why. i don't mind spending if i know why the extra $ is worth it. thanks love the site.

  5. Just received the P&C 15mm rail rig, very nice!
    No issues with the order, arrived quickly.
    The fit and finish of the parts is excellent, no scratches, all machined parts cleaned up nicely.
    All of the rails, and the hand-grips are threaded, nice touch!
    The "Swiss rails" look very interesting and I'm looking forward to making a mount for my audio recorder to work with them.
    The shoulder pad is small, but well made, tacky foam, sticks to the shoulder well.
    The camera mounting plate is ingenuous, very small, light, and highly adjustable. The anti-twist feature is worth the price alone.
    2 hex keys included, using only two sizes is a good design feature.
    Buying the more expensive rig to get the 2 Swiss rails and a good quality friction arm is well worth the extra price.
    This is a low cost rig, with very high end design and finish, congratulations on a great product.

    Malcolm

  6. Olm

    Well I rather make conclusions than think something else if customer service doesn't reply back, I already sent e-mail over two days ago. There was nothing wrong with my payment in this end. And the possibility of order not being visible in their end, I bet they saw it if they sent order confirmation from their pncsales gmail account, however after that they failed to perform the next steps, like sending the items to me, or at least returning the money they charged from me.

  7. Emm

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    @Olm - Not sure what happened, but I would get in touch with the support team before making any conclusions. Normally these items ship next day, and possibly there was problems with the payment processor with your transaction. What I mean is that there is Paypal, Google Checkout, and another web credit card processor that it needs to go through before P&C sees the order. Possibly there was an error and the order was never seen (therefore never shipped). Just get in touch with them first and find out what happened.

  8. Olm

    I ordered this rig kit with Cyber Monday (26th of November) special offer discount (and also some other stuff). They charged my card right away and sent automatic order confirmation.

    ...And almost week later, a few hours ago I received (on 1th of December) e-mail that I had cancelled myself the order, which of course was not the case.

    The e-mail was really crude, just one line, "Your order ... was cancelled at your request". And no further information about when they would refund it, though account page showed "refunded". But it hasn't been refunded yet when I checked this with my credit card company. I guess I'll have to start sorting this out on Monday if I don't see my money...

    I wonder if this has happened to anyone else? And yes, all the information I submitted for the order was correct, including phone number, which was needed for international order.

    If their customer service, or lack thereof, is of this quality, I won't try ordering from photographyandcinema.com anything again, ever. It's a shame as the rig looked quite ok and I wanted to try it.

  9. Emm

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    @Eirik - I don't deal with customer orders, so I would suggest emailing the support team. I'll send an email on my part to let them know about your clamp.

  10. Eirik

    yea, its only the left one. Would be great if you could fix that. Its ordered under my name, Eirik Skarstein.

  11. Emm

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    @Eirik - Rig looks great with that camera. Do you think it's just that one clamp? I can have them ship out a replacement clamp to you.

  12. Eirik

    Here is a picture of the rig with an FS100 and a Sigma 24mm 1.8.

    Emm, any tips making rods clamp harder. My left front grip is kinda loose and not gripping the rod the way i want to.

    Eirik

  13. Emm

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    @vaitor - Any rig you purchase will usually require a quick release system added if you don't want to mount directly to the base plate. You possibly could run the rails through the GearBox rod adapter, but you won't be able to remove the cage from the rig.

  14. @Emm - I have the P&C Cage, which is amazing... I am interested in the P&C Shoulder Rig. The only thing I dont like about it is that would have to mount an extra quick release plate on it. I like to switch quickly between tripod and handheld/rig - Do you think it is possible to mount the P&C Cage on the rails instead of baseplate?

  15. Sven

    @Emm - Yes I contacted them and they offer me a refund if I return it, though the postage from Sweden to China is pretty expensive..
    I dont know if I dare ordering another copy, do you know if it exist a version of the friction arm with the "micro textured surface" that "increase grip rate by more than 36%"?

  16. Emm

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    @Sven - Request a refund, it should not be this way. They are very responsive to address this issue.

  17. Sven

    update about the Kamerar tough friction arm 11":
    The middle joint is rock solid but the two ball joints slip worse than my regular friction arm even when tightening the knob to max, making it useless for my needs.
    It doesn't have the "micro textured surface" as advertised at all. It's smooth steel (see picture below)
    I dont know if I got a bad copy or if they selling out pre-final versions... its a shame I was relly hoping for this one.

    http://oi46.tinypic.com/2ag2c1x.jpg

  18. Emm

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    @KG - These are custom made specifically for the SD1. I don't know of a set that is available on it's own.

  19. KG

    Emm thanks for ur prompt reply one last question do u know who sells just the wheels like on SD1, coz I rekon these should screw under a glidetrack HD too, saves me buying another track. Thanks

  20. Sven

    @ Landon - The friction arm (from e-bay) works pretty ok but has to be tightened down really hard and sometimes slips a little bit with my Canon 60D on it, I dont really trust it. The new Kamerar-arm shows up next week I hope it's better.
    Here are links to the parts I used:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140559292554&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360416708607&ssPageName=ADME:L:COSI:US:1123

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEITZ-Top-Quality-Black-Pistol-Grip-for-All-DSLR-Cameras-and-Videos-/220957751292?pt=UK_Photography_Straps_Hand_Grips&hash=item33721bb7fc

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LanParte-Rod-Clamp-3-8-thread-Standard-15mm-DV-DSLR-Support-Rig-System-/190684475691

  21. @Emm - I meant attatching the SD1 cart (the red part where the camera sits) to the IGUS rail. You probably have both so I'd like to know if they're compatible. The axles part I figured out:)

  22. Landon

    @sven - I am interested in building a lightweight rig similar to yours, would you mind explaining your setup? You mentioned the friction arm you have is not strong enough?

  23. Emm

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    @TikTak - The axles on the SD1 use a 1/4-20 bolt down the middle to attach to the rail. If your IGUS has a 1/4-20 hole on each end (or you can drill one yourself), then you can attach these axles to any similar slider, even a Konova probably.

  24. Very impressive turnaround from P&C. Ordered Tuesday 6th, delivered today to UK Fri 9th :- ) Very nice solid and functional piece of kit.

    Pete

  25. hey Emm,
    Do you think the Kamerar Slider or the Dolly Slider are compatible with the IGUS rail? I'd like to purchase the Dolly for travel and a separate longer IGUS rail and just switch the legs and mount.

  26. Emm

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    @Geoff - I don't see a problem. They should be able to ship to Manila for Free. At this time, there are no shipping charges on any product at Kamerar.com.

  27. Geoff

    @Emm - I want the order the Slider Dolly SD-1 and they say it's free worldwide shipping. Is it possible to get it shipped to Manila. Philippines? How much would it cost me? Thanks.

  28. Brandon

    Hey Emm.

    Love the P&C stuff as always how soon will the alternative rigs come out cause I was about to order this prime rig but if a larger one comes out soon for only a little more I will buy that instead since I am not really a beginner at the moment and would like a more loaded system if its coming out soon.

  29. BlooBoy

    @sven

    yeah those Kamera arms with the right type of handle look like they would be great, any ideas how I would mount a zoom h1 one there also, underneath or....? I was thinking somehow underneath to keep it up front and centre. I don't know how though. Cheers guys.

  30. Emm

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    @Nasir - The donuts are supposed to prevent light from coming through the back of the matte box. I would consider this one more of a large sunshade with a single filter tray for a 4x4 ND Filter. It does not rotate so this is not a mattebox to use if you are into Polarizers or ND Grads that need to be turned.

  31. Supp Em, I wanted to purchase the Matt box from Kamerer but noticed it doesn't come with the lense rings , do you really need those in order for it to function right and what is your take on this Matt box sir thanks in advance.

  32. BlooBoy

    This is something I am looking at, just a question, I love the shoulder mount but I am also looking to get some low dynamic shots, is there a handle mount so you can run and gun some low footage with stabilisation or anyone know of a mid body handle alternative.

    Thanks in advance.

  33. I just noticed that you guys have a FF and a matte box, both of which seem to be very aggressively priced. My 2c, as a user, after having a couple of FF units is, that my next FF will have to have hard stops. I've seen that great tip somewhere on your site I think by the guy who used paper clips for hard stops, but hard stops would be nice. I'd be willing to pay more than what you sell it now for hard stops, so if the manufacturing cost is reasonable, it's something you should consider. Oh, and 2 rotatable trays for the matte box (or at least one rotatable for that tricky CPL angle) would be nice. I personally would pay more for those features from what you have it priced now.

  34. Emm

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    @apostolos - I'm familiar with the half cage brackets which I had several myself, but completely useless to mount anything until you get additional equipment. I would often just sell those brackets.

    The P&C setup had a goal to remove all of the 'bloat' of extra hardware and cost. Just by adding a simple 1/4-20 threaded mount over each handle on the P&C Prime is an example of simple innovation. The Gini rig you share has absolutely no mounting points, not a single female thread. Even over the rear shoulder pad of the Gini is not standard 1/4-20 which most young shooters need for basic mounting.

    Even without the Swiss Rods, the P&C Prime is ready to mount several accessories such as a small EVF, LCD monitor, LED light, Microphone, Portable Recorder, etc. Pretty much the common tools young shooters will carry.

    Actually this type of setup over a monopod would work very well and there are mounting points by the handles to add your other accessories, and one by the shoulder / chest pad for an additional accessory.

  35. I completely agree with your first paragraph. I'm just saying that for my use, which is to move relatively quickly during events AND to get the footage as stable as I want, I need to have that point of contact with the ground so, rig PLUS monopod gives me what I want. It's true that Gini's shipping charges are pretty high, but this particular rig for $396 shipped ($299 plus $97 shipping to the US) bought outright from their site (as opposed to waiting for an Ebay auction) is pretty aggressively priced for what it offers.

    http://ginirigs.com/puing-i/

    Yours is still better priced for a basic rig, and it offers the Swiss rods, which I think are a great piece of technology, born out the mind of a user, but that one has their FF, which as you know is extremely high quality, and those two C-brackets which essentially make a half cage and I think have mounting points.

    And yes, it's absolutely true that DIY is on its way out, because of the many inexpensive offerings from Asian manufacturers, Gini, China, etc.

  36. Emm

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    @apostolos - A shoulder rig is not a replacement for a monopod or a tripod. It's a different tool that minimizes rolling shutter or off axis movements that can make footage appear unnatural. DIY in this industry is dwindling because the cost of usable equipment is becoming relatively inexpensive. There just aren't very many people doing it as there were in the past.

    FYI Gini rigs often charges $65-$100+ dollars shipping for any product, which you need to factor in which can easily reach over $450+ dollars. Still a good deal, but you still can't add a simple 1/4-20 accessory to that basic Gini which means having to buy several extra rods and clamps. You mentioned it yourself that you had to configure your own setup with additional parts from China.

    The basic P&C Prime rig offers a few mounting options for just $229 + FREE WORLDWIDE SHIPPING from http://kamerar.myshopify.com/products/p-c-prime-video-shoulder-rig-kamerar-bundle. The shoulder pad is also a convenience for anyone looking to build a gun-stock type shooter instead of a shoulder rig, something that can't be done with the basic Gini.

    I could explain several reasons why the P&C Prime Rig exists, but as stated in my first paragraph, I advise people to consider the other options on this website to see what will be more suitable for their preference. The P&C Prime Rig is mainly targeted to new shooters, and not enough to replace a more advanced configuration currently available from other manufacturers.

  37. I have to say, after buying a couple of Gini rigs, and configuring them with some additional parts from China, my biggest problem with any of these rigs is that ultimately, when use handheld, you're going to have some shake in the footage, no matter what, which I hate. If you get one of those cheap "cowboy studio" plastic shoulder supports, you can add it to most of these rigs as chest support, but then you're facing the issue of movement as the operator breathes. So for me, you really need to have a monopod close by, to add that extra point of contact with the ground for the desired stability(or a painter's pole with the P&C boom pole adapter which works well). This looks like a pretty decent starter kit, with the "swiss rods" being its most innovative part. But now that you're going from DIY-er, reviewer of equipment to "peddler" you might find yourself in an awkward position. For example Gini Rigs has gone very aggressive in their pricing and they tout English speaking support, etc, which was their Achilles heel. For example, now they offer a $396 rig shipped which includes a half-cage of sorts (two C brackets really) AND their follow focus. So you guys are entering in direct competition with the guy you previously touted! Good luck.

  38. Emm

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    @Peter - There will be both smaller kits, larger kits, and optional accessories to add on to existing rigs. I don't think you'll regret purchasing the current one as you may be able to build up on it.

  39. Emm

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    @mike_tee_vee - A counterweight is helpful, but my advice to move as much of the gear over your shoulders and trim off unnecessary weight. Things like a portable recorder or external battery pack could be mounted in the rear. There are additional parts on the market (and soon on P&C) to build up on this like any other 15mm rig, but as the parts are assembled now it's mainly targeting new shooters who don't have as much of that extra gear.

  40. Rob

    Nice design. Based on your past suggestions I already have a bunch of decent Gini rig parts. The articulating shoulder/chest pad is the only thing I would want. A similar pad on Ebay has blue anodized parts so I would prefer it if P&C would sell their pad with the red part ALA CARTE. I assume there are many readers of your blog in a similar situation as me.

  41. Lucent

    @Emm - awesome product! Placed an order for the GearBox cage today and then said 'eff my bank account!!' and ordered the shoulder rig! Can't wait to test it out 🙂

  42. mike_tee_vee

    This looks awesome. How will the weight distribution feel when it's loaded with a heavier camera and some accessories? Do you recommend a counterweight?

  43. [b]This is not the end of new products, as there are a few more products including additional rigs already in the pipeline to be released soon.[/b]
    I ordered yesterday, direct from P&C as I like the idea of the extra Swiss Rods and the friction arm. Shipping to the UK was only $15; I bought a shark clip as well and was pleased to see that shipping is no longer charged at $15 per item but $15 total.
    Can you say anything more about the upcoming rigs? Will they be baby versions of the new rig or bigger even more functional? In other words might I regret purchasing the current rig when I see the others in the range? Thanks.

    Pete

  44. Emm

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    @Martin - Carbon rods are great, but the 'good' carbon rods ends up being more expensive than the aluminum ones. This is not the end of new products, as there are a few more products including additional rigs already in the pipeline to be released soon.

  45. Martin

    The rig looks great!
    Now, why aluminum rods?
    In my SHORT experience I have to say I like better carbon fiber rods than aluminum ones. My aluminum rods don't tend to grip to the clamps as good as the carbon ones.

    Thank you for such well designed and affordable products!

  46. Emm

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    @Habez - There are too many variations of shooters to have a dedicated built in quick release system, especially in this price range. A standard manfrotto quick release base plate would work fine on it, and it would still be cheaper than most rigs of this build material.

  47. Looks like a nice rig emm (:

    My only gripe with the shoulder rig is that the baseplate does not come with a built in quick release.

    I find that i really appreciate being able to mount and remove my camera from the rig easily, quickly and securely.

    Even if i would use a the 717 quick release adapter, for example, it would require a bit of manipulating/screwing before it would get down tight and the small thumb screw thingy isnt the fastest, most secure thing around i guess.

    But all that being said, it still looks like a well made product at a really decent price. (:

    Just my 2 cents, cheers!

  48. Emm

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    @OEO - At this time there is only enough parts for complete sets of rigs. The friction arm was originally to be released from P&C, but it was decided that it should be released through Kamerar.com. Not sure which arm you have now, but the teeth on these arms don't need to be any more substantial to lock in place. They hold very well.

  49. OEO

    Is the new articulating arm I see from Kamerar different than the one P&C was supposed to be coming out with (is this even happening)? I was expecting noticeably deeper teeth or rosette where the arms meet but all I'm seeing that's unique is the micro-textured ball joints. I'm not looking to spend $55 on another arm if I can't eliminate sag.

    Also, I like the articulating shoulder pad but I don't want any of the other parts--can I buy it separate? Any guess on price?

    Thanks

  50. Emm

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    @VanWeddings - The chest pad is my favorite little feature on here. Incredibly functional piece of kit.

  51. Emm

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    @Gettodwarf - It's based on 15mm industry standards to it's possible to build it to suit. So far with the parts included, it does not have enough parts for a top handle. You would need at least one 90 degree clamp, one 15mm rail, and an additional handle.

  52. Ghettodwarf

    Would there be any way to rig a top handle on this to hold the camera low to the ground easily?

  53. Emm

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    @scottrellwi - The FF is not the same product as Gini, but it is all metal construction also. It works well for the price, but the marking indicator remains at the top. Cannot be repositioned if that matters to you.

  54. Emm

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    @Eirik - That's a 701HDV head on Manfrotto Carbon sticks. I think it would work great with the FS100 and the EVF.

  55. scottrellwi

    Emm,

    Have you tried any of the other products they carry, including the matte box, slider, etc.....?

    That follow focus looks like a steal for $99. Looks like the gini stuff minus the extreme shipping charges.

  56. Mike C

    @Nnamdi Ejim // You could take the articulating shoulder pad, and slide the 10" rods so that it goes just beyond the back of the shoulder. Stick the handle block and handles on the front, stick an LCP-1 vertical cheeseplate (eBay) on the back & the tripod mount in the middle, over the shoulder if you have an EVF or monitor on the articulating arm. stick it closer to the handles if you want to see the back of the screen.

  57. And it looks like if you buy it from P&C you can use the swiss rods on the back to mount a battery system like Anton Bauer or in my case IDX. Sweet rig. Thanks for the feedback.

  58. Emm

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    @Nnamdi Ejim - The shoulder pad on the P&C articulates so it's possible to push the camera that far back if needed. The arms can also be raised or lowered.

  59. It's rather disconcerting how I've been looking for a large/affordable slider, solid/affordable follow focus, and solid/affordable shoulder rig all throughout the time Sandy has had me stuck at home....and the second I begin to doubt...boom. Perfect timing. Is it possible to use the pieces of the shoulder rig to create something similar to the Master Cinema Series Shouldercam minus the padded back weight? Any info on that would be greatly appreciated.

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