Canon C300 Digital Video Camera + Red Scarlet X

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Developing story about Canon's latest Video Camera over at the Engadget live blog here: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/the-canon-hollywood-event-liveblog/. From the internet they approx $16,000 $20,000 dollars and available starting January 2012.

And even before the conference is over, Zacuto is already showing it on a basic shooter.

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Red also announced their Scarlet which throws out some awesome specs in a sub $10K camera. There's pricing on a kit around $13K-$14K. Scarlet-X has a 2/3 an S35 sensor capable of 5k stills and 4K video at 25fps. Lower resolution to 3K enabled 48fps, 2K @ 60fps, and at 1K 120fps. The Red Scarlet is said to begin shipping in just a few weeks. Sounds fairly inexpensive for such a camera, but don't forget the SSD media you'll need to shoot with. Those alone can quickly bring the price of shooting up several thousands of dollars. One good point about Canon's C300 is that the dual CF card slots can be used to have a real time backup of your footage on uber cheap media. How much is that worth to some people?

While RED has made it's very impressive announcement, Canon still has another 4K concept DSLR body waiting to be unveiled. A mystery DSLR that is sporting the Cinema badge. Engadget writes - promised to be "ideally suited for cinematographic and other digital high-resolution production applications". Should be shooting at full 4K resolution @ 24p. The current 1DX is already sporting dual CF slots also, so i'm thinking the latest Cxxx DSLR will have the same. Seeing how they announced the 1Dx at about $7K and the new C300 at about $20K, my guess this mystery DSLR will fall somewhere around the $10K mark.

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71 thoughts on “Canon C300 Digital Video Camera + Red Scarlet X

  1. Here's my 1c.
    These two cameras are clearly jockeying for position in the pricing scale. Canon coming in way cheaper than the Alexa, and Scarlet coming in cheaper than the C300. RED does not have Canon's --or even more Sony's-- industrial base and financial resources. For RED, every new product is betting the farm on that product and if they launched the wrong product, it could break them. Sony, ehhh, they launch five variations of the same camera per year, if they're not a hit, they'll launch five more the next six months, no sweat.

    With the C300 Canon is clearly trying to capitalize on the unbelievable success of the 5DMKII by going all in into a market that previously didn't exist (and certainly did not exist for Canon), a few years ago. The fact that they have a 4k sensor in the C300 clearly shows the direction they will be going in the near future, depending on the market's reaction. But I guess they figured that 1080p is enough for now, since after all, Alexa is a hit and it costs a lot more. I guess people are under the impression that 4k (let alone 4k raw) is more problematic to handle in terms of file size and computer processor speeds at the moment. (I don't know, I've never worked with RED footage).

    I've followed the possible specs for Scarlet since its initial announcement. The $3,000 3k camera was a nice dream, but obviously it did not make sense for them financially, and then they said 6 or 7k. But you can obviously tell RED agonized over what specs to go with until the last moment. Up until a few months ago, the official specs were of a 3k, 2/3 fixed lens camera, which, in my opinion, would have been catastrophic, because if the DSLR revolution accomplished one thing, was to get low-end, event, indie shooters to migrate to the removable lens camera bodies.

    So clearly RED thought that they had to come in below the C300, while giving the consumer more value for their money, if they were going to go against Canon's brand name. Scarlet ended up being a removable lens, S35, 4k RAW camera, essentially an Epic with less processing power. On paper it represents substantial value over Canon (and Canon's brand name). If the image quality, especially in terms of dynamic range and low light is there, it will be a big hit. Especially if you can use generic SSDs for storage 🙂

  2. Paul

    The two announcements, (well 4 really if you count Canon's earlier announcement and the much earlier launch of the Sony FS100) point to some clear divisions of who has gravitated to cheesycam and the DSLR community in general . With the advent of comparatively cheap Canon DSLRs there has been a flood of people that now call themselves "filmakers" without any real sense of what has gone on before and what ultimately is the reality of technology and the ever present existence of something always better. Technology is not democratic and the cheapness and amazing quality that DSLRs give have given people that idea that everything should cost no more then a 7D and it should get better and better. It can only be truly democratic if all cameras cost the same as a piece of paper. They don't and technology and development cost money that results in cameras that are out of reach of the DSLR masses. The upper hand will always be in the hands of those with more money and that target keeps moving. These new cameras are actually cheap in the world of big money pro broadcast and film making. They also have different specs for different audiences. The frame of reference for the future of making TV or films might just not be the form factor of a DSLR. This could just be a very interesting side trip that we are taking. (Which I am loving), But anybody that has shot seriously with the alternatives knows exactly the weakness of the DSLR format- I have shot everything from 35mm to pixal2000 to flip to produce work and at the end of the day sometimes you just wish you had a video camera instead of a still camera with a lot of stuff hanging off it. The opinions expressed about these cameras also point out the the differences in what people are asking of their equipment. If you are a student that makes films to post on Vimeo and shoot cool stuff with your friends you can work from any hacked rig you want or work around limitations. If you are a filmaker that knows the work is going to a screen blown up huge you have different real quality issues. If you are a commercial producer as I am that has clients that demand you work from a story board that has been approved by an agency or an industrial or business client they don't have the time for work arounds and images structured around limitations- they want results fast and sometimes they want to see the big boy camera they are paying for. There is no one size for all. Sometimes I get better work done with my 60D. It just depends. There also seems to be this obsession with specs here that doesn't match up with the needs of most people that hope to or do make money from all this. If you live by technology you die by it- there will ALWAYS be something better. Instead the currency of your work is your ideas. You don't need 4k to shoot a video that only exists online, you need a great idea and execution. Don't be "a guy with a camera" be a "cameraman"
    Not just here but all over the place there is this idea that one camera is "right" and the others are "wrong"- It could not be further from the truth. I mentioned earlier that I agree with emm that in spite of the obvious limitations of the FS 100 I am going to make that a purchase and go with RED or whatever when the budget or project demands. That might not work for some at all but I think that there is a reason to go with Scarlet or Canon or whatever that can be as valid for me as a totally different choice for someone else. All these cameras make EXCELLENT images compared to just a few years ago and whatever your choice I hope you make amazing work and earn enough money using these TOOLS, because that is all they are.

  3. @ Jason.

    Yeah I guess I'm just delusional...
    It seems no one is talking yam yam about the sensor size and the resolution at 4K and how the scarlet shoots raw and what not... Yeah just me.

    Oh but come to think about it... you were the first person to post:

    Jason
    November 3rd, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    "1,000 of tv reslotion.

    This thing is going to be more sharper than ex1! That’s very nice!

    Also the 4k sensor/1080p record is a great start if you ask me."

    If that is not talks of resolution then I dont know what it is, Case Closed.
    This post is too old to keep coming back to see if you had something smart else to say, tootles!

    P.S.

    Not at one time have I thrown out any resolution specs out there, all I have been saying in the 2 to 4 comments I have made is we can make beautiful images with whatever we have at hand as we have been doing so without any of these cameras that none of us have yet to touch.

    Peace!

  4. Emm

    Post author

    @Apostolos - When video quality is a top priority, there's plenty of cameras that outperform the FS100. Unfortunately, there's much more to doing video as a business than just the 'video quality' out of a camera. I need to have many of the other features and options the FS100 provides all in one box. The GH1 might be excellent in perfect lighting conditions, but I don't think it will perform as well in lower lighting compared to the FS100. The FS100 might not be suitable for every situation, for most of the stuff i'm doing I think it's the best fit.

  5. Hey Emm:

    You're saying you might consider an FS100 for some types of project. Vitaly, or St. Vitaly as I call him, had published a point-by-point comparison of the hacked GH1 to the AF100 to prove that the GH1 is at least as good if not better image-wise, and of course price-wise, it's $500-550 vs 5k. Even if you add the Zoom or Tascam, mic, etc, from a cost stand point, there is no comparison. A friend of mine owns an AF 100 and that slow-ass $900 14-140 Panasonic is bundling with it, and after he saw the footage we were getting with hacked GH1s and fast Canon FD lenses he was kicking himself. But he made an excellent point. That he can't really show up on a job with his main camera being a GH1, even fully configured on a rig, because employers who are not following the developments in the field, will get nervous. So, my question is, is the FS100 really worth the money over a GH1 or more accurately a GH2 with Vitaly's new super-duper 147 Mbits hack, or a lot of its value is the perception of having a "pro video" camera to get jobs with?

  6. Jason

    Is it just me or serge just talking to talk? I dont see anyone going on and on about resolution as much as you are?

  7. LaGrudge

    To write an entire article like this and not mention the main difference between cameras, sheesh.

    Scarlet is recording 4k RAW
    C300 is recording 1080P MPEG2

    Game over.

    It'd be like comparing RAW and JPEG in the stills world.

  8. I just have to keep coming to this post, people keep blasting how much more pixels and resolution a camera has will make your final product that much better! For gods sake we are currently watching House footage shot on a canon 5D Mark 2 every week.

    We are seeing footage mixed from Iron man 2 shot with Canon 5D mark 2 and even some footage that has made it into the new Avengers movie shot on an IPHONE 4s!

    But thanks for the entertainment technophobes!

    The Avengers trailer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zatgnqdIefs

    The Avengers cinematographer Seamus McGarvey was quoted saying...

    “The beauty of photography or cinema is that you make every choice based on the content at hand. On The Avengers, I did a couple of shots on the iPhone and they are in the movie. In fact, they are in the trailer! I understand that sometimes there is no choice and you have to go for the cheapest option, but if you are limited for choice, you can still make poignant decisions that will effect the look of the film.”

  9. Paul

    Oh yeah- the final decision maker- Sony NXCAM®
    SUPER 35MM CAMCORDER AND 128GB FLASH MEMORY UNIT COMBINATION REBATE- Buy a FS100, (without lens), and the flash memory ($670 bucks normally) and Sony will give you $500 back. That brings the cost of that pricey flash drive down to under $200 bucks and gives you 11hrs of video as well as plug and play download. This offer good till Dec 15th and you can get it through B&H. Sold and Done.

  10. OK... the sensor is very good BUT.... 8bit Mpeg-2 Long GOP 422 50Mbs MXF???? that is an old codec from Sony HDCAM, is a 5 years old codec... and if you have a full HD sensor for each color, why you degraded to 8bit?? and long GOP is not bad, but even AVCHD at 24Mbs is better... and no HD-SDI or HDMI 444 output or RGB Uncompresed for US$20.000??? are you out of your maind... is like a fantastic camera 4 years latter; some one said that is for rental market for CINEMA, ohhh please, maybe RED Epic, but now we have SONY F65 with a 8K senser recording in 4K real; so if you need to rent a camera for a CINEMA production you'll go for an HD or an 8K or a 4K real???, for cinema you need I-Frame only system, 444 if posible and at last 10bit; so please be realistic, this camera is in the middle of the way to everyway...

  11. @Emm, You might want to go change that 2/3 sensor typo or people wont leave you alone with the "scarlet has a S35 sensor not a 2/3 inch"

    ;P

  12. Paul

    I was waiting for both announcements to make a choice regarding the Sony FS100 and I am in complete agreement with Emm. For what pays the bills the Sony is going to be my choice. Would I want to shoot a feature with it? Maybe, but the Canon and the Red are better choice for that. Before DSLRS if you got a big project you rented the best and with Canon in the $20k range and Red out there FINALLY with the Scarlet,I will do what I did in the past for those big projects-RENT- in the mean time my meat and potato work is great with Sony and there is enough left over to show a profit (that is besides buying all the cool stuff emm continues to find...)

  13. The SSD media is horribly expensive. It's like Sony's strategy to get more money out of the buyer by using those proprietary super expensive SxS media. My question is, you can't use CF cards with the Scarlet? They do have a CF module (i.e. connector) for the Red One, this does not work with Scarlet? Still the base price for it is around 14k.

  14. Mark

    Emm, the scarlet has a S35 sensor not a 2/3 inch, I was present at the unveiling and they explicitly say that it uses the exact same sensor as the EPIC.

  15. @Emm, with you on that one. The Micro43 mount allows for an array of quality manual lenses, making the FS100 a good choice for the budget minded. And it's also an easy transition rig-wise, since most of your old DSLR gear will fit with its modular design.

  16. Emm

    Post author

    @Steve M - I'm confused by the question. I think if anyone had a necessity for a camera, then I guess it would make sense to find a way to buy it or just rent it. Me personally, i've already mentioned earlier that i'm looking more towards the Sony FS100 now that Canon has announced these options. I'd like a camera that has better low light than an average DSLR, and still have interchangeable lenses. I was hoping Canon would deliver something that would fit my budget and projects. The Sony FS100 seems to be the right choice for me personally (right now). If I need something better, I can always rent.

  17. Steve M,

    This may sound like a stupid question, but I'm curious, if you had the money, would you buy the C300? And if so, why would you buy it? Would it be out of necessity or would it be you just have to have it, or possibly none of the above?

  18. Emm

    Post author

    @Everyone - I think it was just the last two camera announcements that caught everyone by surprise. It was the Canon 5D Mark II, T2i, 7D, and 60D that really drove Canon's video market and they moved away from that to announce two very high end expensive cameras. Almost like they forgot where their HD DSLR roots started. I'm glad Canon is playing in Hollywood and making these new cameras, but it's been 3 years and they still haven't provided much improvements over the original Canon 5D Mark II for a sub $2500 dollar camera. The big reason is because they don't want to make a camera that could jeopardize their video camera line, so they keep some key features limited like clean HDMI out (they said so in a recent interview).

    I think we're just more impatient than anything. While we're big Canon fans and await the next best Canon, Sony and Panasonic are making cheaper cameras with awesome qualities. I'm seriously considering the FS100 after seeing these last releases. It might not be as good, but it will fit into my work flow and only run about $5K.

  19. Steve M,

    This camera is a direct result of heavy influence from some very heavy hitters. Canon went to the bats and asked them what type of lumber it would take to enter the high end user market, the result, C300. Does It all make sense? I really can't say, but what I do know is Canon definitely changed the entire video production profession forever with the 5DMarkII.

  20. Dietrich

    I don't know if anyone has said this aleady but the scarlet x used the same sensor as the Epic, the 2/3" version is dead.

  21. @ Poopman, haha! thanks!

    @ Chris, Totally agree.

    @ Rob, We all know Canon likes to deliver 6 or more models a year, so once 2012 comes and the world has not ended we should have something with a mix of features to play with.

    Lets be thankful we are not jumping on board the $20k band wagon and then get hit with a similar model for $5k like what happened with the 7D and the immediate T2i with same kind of video quality a couple months later.

    Canon just played it well to mess with the sales of the Red Scarlet.
    Scarlet comes out in a couple weeks the C300 in 3 months if then, but definitely will hurt Reds sales... I believe this was never aimed at the indi under $10K market, we have something coming our way...

  22. Rob

    You can't really blame people for being disappointed considering the nature of this blog. I think the issue is that people thought that this would be more of a bridge camera on par with the Panasonic AF101. At least that's what I thought it would be. This camera is outside our market.

  23. Chris

    @Fabdex

    I was referring to people that seemed shocked at the combination of price and lack of 4k (as if it was a necessity) for those who work on the lower end of the market.

    People get caught up in being technofiles and forget about the overall image produced by the camera. RED produces a certain image that some people like, and Canon produces another. Toss along Alexa and Sony's F65 into the game if you want. People still shoot on 16mm for heavens sake (Black Swan) and the films look phenomenal. It's like when you visit some sites like dpreview and you get folks nitpicking over MP count or sharpness on an L lens when all they do is take bad photos of birds that nobody sees.

  24. I am amazed at how spoil some of you are, 3 years ago we were all shooting on DV Cams, had to use Magic Bullet to get a 24P film look and lets not forget the use of a 12 pound depth of field adapter.

    I see everyone and their Momma now is a "Film Maker" with a T2i producing great images none the less but nothing of true meaning that is going to get you noticed or paid more because your time lapse is in 4K...
    Have you seen your true talented competition on vimeo? most the work their is shot on old gear, and they produce amazing works.

    Then you have those with the 5DM2 looking down at you as if the camera really matters. If any of you work in actual productions then it is very rarely you are asked to bring your own gear, those are provided by the production house or you go out and rent it.

    What ever happened to renting gear?

    I doubt any corporate event, wedding or lil Billy's B-day is going to need to be shot on a 4K sensor anytime soon.
    Even if you do shoot Birthday Parties / Wedding in 4K... Most likely You will be shrinking it to the size of a smurf regardless to hand it to the client in DVD form since most wont even have a blu-ray player. Wah wah wah.. (1080P it is or even 720 x 480 DVD's!)

    Just know that in the next few years 4K is going to be the norm just as a few years ago the word "HD" was thrown around, I remember Fuji using the word "HD" on their photo printing kiosk like seriously HD prints?

    HD cameras were the size of a truck 8 years ago and now fit inside an Iphone.
    Be patient we all will be shooting 4K and above sometime in the very near future. We all know 6K & 8K is what RED is already working on, and all you will be like oh! the Epic? / Scarlet? that sucks ass, it only shoots 4K!...

    Be glad that these 4K are in prices out of our reach, can you imagine every 13 - 17 year old shooting at the same resolution as you because they recieved a 4K camera for Xams??? Music videos in my field have hurt tremendously in the urban hip-hop market, Anyone now a day wants to go to Walmart and buy an "HD" camera and shoot their own music video, all I see is blur blur blur, oooh that is so film like now thanks to the price of DSLR being so attainable.

    Work with what you have, a technical object can never make a creative decision come to life, you evoke that feeling with your skills.

    Come on now, Phillip Bloom is proof of this.
    Here is an amazing piece shot on a $500 "1080p" (OH NO! WHAT WAS HE THINKING!) Sony Nex 5N...

    http://philipbloom.net/2011/10/25/anthonyvizzari/

  25. @ JT

    Good point man! I'm with you on that. I've used the red one and its not as simple as the 5D. I was working on a project where I used both cameras and I was much happier with the 5D since the image quality is awesome and its more compact. But obviously the Red's image quality and capabilities are a lot higher than that of the 5D's. However, if your shooting for the web there's not much difference.

    That being said I still think the c300 is over priced and definitely out of range for most indie-filmmakers like me. If the c300 was 6-10k then I would say its a go but its not in my price range. I think its kind of messed up that canon wasn't thinking of us on this one.

    The scarlet I would have to see and test it out b4 I decide t go for it. Not sure if the product will be completely ready since it seems they rushed the announcement just to show up canon. They also always have trouble with shipping there products. And all of Red products I believe are over priced.

  26. Fabdex

    @Chris: I don't shoot for internet distribution. That's the low end, quality wise. 4K is for movies, baby !

  27. Jason

    @Josh

    No, unfortunaely you're wrong. The canon list price is now $20,000.

    The red scarlet kit, with everything you need, is $14,000. I don't know where you got this $20,000 figure from for scarlet.

    $14,000 for true 4k > $20,000 108p.

    The red is the better buy if you're looking purely at price/performance.

  28. JT

    Think some of you are missing the point of canons sensor, yes, it is a 4k sensor, but the way it uses the sensor is interesting, rather than just using 1080 pixels of that whole 4k sensor, it does use the entire sensor by having 1080 capture for each color, rgb. so thats some major data processing there, which why i think i heard that the image processor is close to being maxed out.

    overall i think canon is gonna be more stable out of the gate and scarlet is gonna be buggy, 4k is nice but id rather have a stable, reliable, fast, simple to use camera.

    great start from canon, i'd buy it just based on its gonna be more reliable, screw specs, if it can do the job round the clock, thats all that maters to me.

  29. I think the new Cxxx Movie DSLR is what cheesycam people are looking for.

    Read more about it here:
    http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/03/canon-has-a-new-eos-movies-dslr-on-the-way-too/ plus, if you scroll down you can read the Canon press release. Click button for press release.

    I hope Emm is right that it will be sub $10,000 like 1Dx. I hope it will be at around $5,000 or less. I think most Cheesycam people are really in the prosumer to low end professional market (no offense to anyone, I am one of them).

    C300 is for people looking at the Arri Alexa, Epic (Red line), Panavision cameras, etc. Think Network dramas, sitcoms, national TV commercials, and Hollywood movies.

    Canon's line of prosumer and professional video cameras has pretty much always started at $2000 and went up to about $8000. Think of the Canon XL series or now the XA, XH, and XF series.
    http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/hd_video_cameras

    This area is where the Cheesycam folks are in: events, corporate, local commercials, local TV broadcast (not particularly ENG), cable networks, and low budget features.

    I think the C300 is great because it means development in motion picture and hopefully those ideas and innovations will trickle down into the rest of the motion picture line.

  30. Chris

    Don't see why so many people are looking to shoot in 4k, at the same time looking for an ultra cheap solution.

    Why would people on lower end of the market care to shoot at 4k when they're in all likelihood outputing to 720p for internet distribution. If resolution was the ultimate deciding factor then people would not opt to shoot on an Alexa over an Epic.

    At the same time people shouldn't be that surprised by the price, as Canon's prosumer video cameras in the past have generally been priced above those of its competitors.

    That being said I'm waiting to see what comes out in a year or so.

  31. Fabdex

    Canon just blew it. Big time. The camera will be amazing, I'm sure, but Red just wiped the floor with their ass by offering a 3K cam that will be upgradable to 4K for a lot less than Canon's soon to be obsolete (for cinema, anyway) 1080p.

    Now, if only Red could tone down their smug arrogance...

  32. Talk to me here Emm,

    CANON C300:

    What’ I’m thinking is Canon has developed a camera that shoots a 4K image, and compresses it into a 1080p file size. If this is the case, would this mean that our 4K files would be the size of a 1080P file? If so this means we can take our 1080P file, that has 4K compressed quality, and should we decide to output a 4K or even 2K video… we then can scale that footage to either 2 or 4K, without any quality loss. If this may be the case, then that’s awesome in my own opinion. That makes handling 4K material much easier to work with based on the file size ALONE!

    I think people are missing about the Scarlet X is $10K is the price for the BRAIN ALONE!!! After you get the accessories needed for it… you’re looking at $20K still. If the C300 gives more dynamic range than the Scarlet X then I’m thinking I may just get the C300 now.

    People who have used Canon’s for years need to know this… You have invested money into your gear for your DSLR’s over the years. Why start from scratch if the C300 captures 4K compresses it into 1080p? One thing we should all understand is that Canon is READY!!! RED… Red will be Red. They’re going to have their issues with the camera, and too much work to get it to work the way we want.

    So I figure C300 ($16,000 FULL PACKAGE) VS. RED SCARLET X ($10,000 BRAIN ALONE)… You see what I’m saying?

  33. PixCanFly

    Canon C300 might not appeal to us but I reckoned it will be welcoming for broadcaster shooting drama and documentary due to the good onboard codec. Furthermore, this big boys will buy in bulk and they will definitely pay much lesser than you and me.

  34. Steve M,

    For many, this announcement from Canon was as shocking as the FCPX software from Apple. My feeling, this camera had way to much influence from high end users. I've seen all four of the short projects shot with this new camera on the Canon website, as well as Vimeo, and if someone were to tell me one was actually shot with a 5DM2, no one would be the wiser. Sure, if you're going to a 60 foot screen, there's no doubt there's a difference in products. It does kind of surprise me Canon is going after such a high end user market with this launch, I think they could have slam dunked the entire camera market with a nice indie camera priced in the 4-5k range. But no!

  35. Jason

    I'm refering to the scarlet just to be clear.

    gotta love how a the full kit of the new scarlet is still cheaper than canon's new c300, and with better specs! What is canon thinking?

  36. Chris

    Scarlet X has an S35 sensor, not 2/3 which is why the price has been increased. It has the exact same sensor as the epic, just different internal components which limit the data/frame rates. I would love to buy a Scarlett, just can't afford it ATM. Love the fact that it comes standard with a canon mount. 🙂 They said down the road hopefully support for 2k at 120fps. There also will be an upgrade path to Dragon as well.

  37. Jason

    yo em they changed the sensor, it's no longer 2/3rd but a super35 cmos chip like canons.

    I havent read through all the comments so I don't know if anyone else mentioned this already, if so sorry

  38. Michel

    I ordered Scarlet package, biggest investment ever for me. Phew. But I thought that Canon's footage looked fantastic as well. Might be 1080p but looking at the footage, that's not a bummer at all. Great dynamic range and look to it, codec seems to hold up well. But 20.000 / 16.000$ is just too much.

  39. Ricky

    @Serge

    You're right. I remember them saying the Scarlett was going to be in the $5000 range around 3-4 years ago. Sucks it didn't stay that way.

  40. Wasn't this Red Scarlet supposed to have a fixed lens and be under $5,000 some model they were talking about for the "Soccer Moms" Or do I have these models confused?

    Regardless we all were expecting to pay under $7,000 and I see nothing in that price range yet. That other 4K concept model will be capped as well.

  41. $20K? Hmmmm, 3x more than any camera Canon has ever produced!

    The Panasonic AF100 at under $5K now seems like a great buy at 3x the cost of my 7D.

    The Red scarlet, if it really is produced, at sub $10K (super 16 sized sensor, 2/3 video) really looks good, though does it record to CF cards? or super expensive cards, I was looking at the 2/3 Ikonoskop camera, which has an amazing form factor.

    Lot's of choices!

  42. Paul Hildebrandt

    I think for sure Canon is releasing this camera for Hollywood and those types with too much play money. That $9k scarlet might be atainable considering I spent about that much last year in DSLR's and equipment to support them for my business. But you have to figure about that much extra to support the scarlet anyway. Hopefully this new mystery DSLR will be the real "game changer" for the rest of us.

  43. itsjohnny2

    Lens prices are over the top. The three primes are $6800 a piece. The zooms are around $45000, CN-E14.5-60mm, and $47000, CN-E30-300mm.

  44. Scottrellwi

    What about the rest of the press release? The other camera announced looks more like what we all want. Looks like a large body EOS camera with a similar sensor to the C 300.

    Buller.........buller...........

  45. Altamiradora

    The new primes lens should work on a 5d since it's advertised as EOS lenses...I'd rather buy those if priced right...

    One of the key features about the C300 is the 60+ lenses that can fit on it !

    As far as the sensor is concerned, I'm not too worried. It's a 4k capped at 1080p for now but I'm certain that with a few software upgrade canon is going to surprise us when push comes to shove !

  46. Jason

    @mark

    100% agreed. I was blindly planning on buying whatever came out today..but I was thinking $6,999 or less...

    It's a great camera I'm, I just saw a video sample. Sharper then hell! But it's 2012. $16,000 for 1080p/30.

    No thanks.

  47. mark london

    @pepe.

    Yep. A lot of rubbish written up there.

    I think its a very good production camera judging by "Mobius". A user-friendly Red ONE, or a sharper F3.
    Personally at 5k less I would have been a LOT more enthusiastic.

  48. pepe

    I was surprise with the news but even more
    surprise with how many people in this
    blog have no idea what they are talking
    about...

    At least wait till you see some decent
    footage for chris sake ... anyone new
    coming to this website will be thinking
    we are full time retards ...

  49. Craig

    They are going after TV and Film production where there is tons of money. This is not the next logical step for us DSLR guys. I bet we'll get the same sensor in the 1DX with a few new token video features thrown on the next model for us, but Canon is not going to have a lesser product steal focus from these new cameras.

  50. We'll have to see in a few minutes what Red has to offer in the Scarlet. Maybe that is the camera that is more our needs. Under $10,000 with the video features we want.

  51. Darius

    Tthis is actually a decent camera, but I think Canon threw around too many adjectives in the "historic" and "game changer" ball park to validate the specs of this camera.

    Many of the features feel like the upgrades I would have expected for the DSLR line, not a brand new mind blowing cinematic camera.

    Poor Martin Scorsese...

  52. Scottrellwi

    That's kind of a disappointment for most of us. I will never get close to this thing.

    I am wondering about the lenses though. Will they work on my 60D? Are they $4000 a piece?

  53. Jason

    dane, read my post.

    full frame sensors are bad for video. Unless you make a full frame sensor at 8 megapixels

  54. Jason

    1,000 of tv reslotion.

    This thing is going to be more sharper than ex1! That's very nice!

    Also the 4k sensor/1080p record is a great start if you ask me.

    They're using a smaller 8.1 mp sensor, so you dont have to line skip from a large sensor like the 5D's 21 mp. It samples like like a 3 chip block..every four pixels (two green, one red, and one blue) are sampled for each final output pixel. Should reduce rolling shutter and moire but a large amount.

    Pretty awesome if you ask me. AND IT HAS A HEADPHONE JACK!

    unawesome: price, 30fps max on 1080 (SOOO WEAK). overcrank only @ 720p (double weak)

  55. Chris

    Big time disappointment. RED is going to stomp all over Canon later. It's sad to see that super 35 sensor go to waste with only 1080p output, and only 60/720p??? 🙁

  56. Tony

    Totally not what I was expecting from Canon with it's first cinema camera judging by the current trend and competitors. I know its a 4k sensor, but starting with only delivering 1080p and no high speed fps just leaves me smh. Then the model name?!! Come'on. Be a little creative... when I see this I think of Chrysler 300 or crucial c300 ssd! lol

  57. Rob

    Interesting that the C300 has native 4K sensor but they chose to top it out at 1080p. Me thinks Red is going to pull ahead at this price point.

  58. Evan

    Thought there was going to be something more realistic announced, but alas, this will do.

    Don't get me wrong though, compared to a RED Epic 16K is attainable.

    I'm still playing in the 60D ballpark for now, sadly.

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